Bear protections....9mm?

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Aknative
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Bear protections....9mm?

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https://www.americanhunter.org/articles ... mm-pistol/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Man I feel better about my 10mm and 357. At the bottom of the article there are a couple links, one of them has pictures of skinning in progress. It shows where one of those hardcast bullets went in the flank and nosed up against the hide on the other side. Shines a new light on that caliber in my eyes, not enough to carry one in the woods but still a new light.
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Re: Bear protections....9mm?

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Link isn't working for me.

.357 is great on thin skinned animals but I watched a buddy shoot a hog from about 20 feet with a .357 with hollow points in it. The hog shrugged and ran off. We went and got the dogs, caught the hog 3/4 of a mile away and the bullet was between the skin and rib cage mushroomed out. The hogs "shoulder shield" was enough to expand and stop the bullet, how the hog took that wallop I have no idea. I know that hollow points aren't for hunting, but still at that range it blew my mind.

I traded my S&W 686 .357 for a .44 mag the next week. I'd rather have a 9mm than nothing, but I don't think that'd be my choice for bear country.

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Poor loads for the intended purpose can make for poor performance on the intended target. Does your buddy still have a 357? Would be interesting to see how a hardcast 357 compared to that hollow point on a hog. No real surprise that a bullet designed to expand and dump it's energy under man's thin skin before coming out the other side didn't do well on a hog.

Hollow points are for town, when I go in the woods I make sure to have solids, be they the jacketed lead nose or hardcast.

Try this link. Not sure why the other one didn't work.
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles ... mm-pistol/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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No doubt a cast bullet would have penetrated at that range.

I shoot jacketed soft points out of my .44 rifles and pistol. I don't even care for the jacketed hollow points they try to market for hunting.

I carry my marlin 1894 .44 mag about 90% of the time in the woods. I love that rifle.

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Re: Bear protections....9mm?

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That 1894 in 44 is a great little gun. I had one back in the late 70's to go with a Ruger Super Blackhawk and could kick myself for getting rid of it. Mine didn't care much for lead bullets, but that's a problem shared by many Marlins with the older "Micro-Groove" rifling. I understand that in the nineties, Marlin changed the rifling to a six groove Ballard type that worked much better with lead bullets. They did the same thing with the 1895 in 45/70 and greatly improved it's ability to handle lead bullets.

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Mine is the microgroove which is why I shoot the jacketed bullets.

I keep saying I'm going to swage my barrel so I can determine what size cast bullets to buy but haven't got around to it. Supposedly with correctly sized cast bullets, you won't have any leading issues with the microgroove.

Reloading sure makes the .44 much more reasonable to shoot. Factory ammo is high, especially for hunting loads...about 85 cents a pop. Beats my .300 weatherby ammo though, that sucker is why I got into reloading.

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Re: Bear protections....9mm?

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The selection of heavy (300 grain plus) bullets that are now available have added a lot of utility to the 44 Mag cartridge. I think 240 grain was about the heaviest that was available until the last 25 years or so.

http://www.midwayusa.com/241-grains-and ... ?cid=22529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hard cast, gas checked bullets like those used in faster cartridges seem to be one of the most reliable ways to get satisfactory accuracy.

As far as big bear defense, I'd rather have a pump or double barrel 12 bore with some of these dangerous game slugs from Dixie Slugs of Florida.

http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bear protections....9mm?

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https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger ... etrator-1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just depends on what 9mm we are talking about.

Underwood Extreme Penetrator in +P or +P+ i would have no problem what so ever carrying in bear country.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClJcJ8LQFbQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ~ watch this video if you want to see what quality 9mm ammo can do!

Hell even in 380 their ammo is potent..

I like the 10mm extreme penetrator. Really Underwood's ammo as far as being "top shelf" grade ammo really is not at all over-priced.

Shipping charges add to the tally so i try to get multiple boxes at one time.



I wish i could find good videos like this one of the 10mm Underwood Extreme Penetrator but i can't seem to.

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Re: Bear protections....9mm?

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvzul3rvTk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is a nice video but he doesnt understand that Armscor is 40 ballistics in a 10mm case: Armscor is junk.. No way is that a "control" baseline tor 10mm
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